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Post by MJSUNIFC on Aug 24, 2006 13:26:39 GMT -5
we have been getting nothing but love from all MJ fan clubs with spreading the word about our MJ event, but its been difficult getting support from mjjforum.so i've been writing to their staff on their board asking about it. i was told personally by the head of the board that NO fan events were allowed in the GD. and here is the replys i got back: are fan events/projects allowed back in the general discusion? "Not w/o special permission. As of now, moderators are moving events to fan & fanclub forum."thank you for your reply sorry to ask this question again, but i noticed that a couple fan events or on the general discussion board which is great, but why isn't mine allowed there? it doesn't seem fair to me especially since i played a huge part (to put it mildly) is last years event and posted news about the event everywhere, even on the front page of my web site. fans have been asking me why isn't mjjforum allowing the post to be there? this is a Michael Jackson fan event. "What fan event are you talking about? The MJJF one is my event and can go into the main discussion. Any other event will be moved."thank you for the quick reply. yesterday when i was on i noticed 2. one for the thriller party, and another for a MJ birthday party event, that's why i was wondering about it. "Raquel, it's as if you are policing what can go on my forum... If I choose to have another event in the GD, I will. There is no point of even asking anymore, ok? You are advertising your party enough in the GD because it is in your signature and you have been posting in the GD, which younormally don't do. So I don't see what the big deal is and I'm becoming offended by you constantly questioning why is such and such posted in whatever forum. Again, MY DECISION."anyway this is basically what i said in response to that last relpy: Trish, i'm only going by YOUR EXACT WORDS, that NO fan event was allowed in GD. of course you can can do whatever you want, but that doesn't make it fair IF you decide to post some fan events and not others. that is my opinion and i dont think i'm breaking an rules by saying so, right? this isnt about mjjforum or mjsunifc this is about Michael Jackson and wanting to get together with other MJ fans to have fun. AFTER I REPLIED TO THIS RESPONSE ONE OF THE STAFF REMOVED MY POST SO THAT FANS COULD NOT SEE IT AND SENT ME A PM SAYING THAT THIS WAS A "PRIVATE" CONVERSATION? i told the staff memeber she could do whatever she wanted but i didn't agree with her and that i was offended and felt fans need to know how fans talk to each other. Now for some reason i'm unable to access my account there, it says USER SUSPENDED? "The error returned was: Your account has been temporarily suspended. This suspension is due to end on Aug 29 2006, 11:02 AM."so if you disagree with them, but not break the rules, you get suspened? woohoo i'm hot right now! is this the same people that i put together their big MJevent event for them last year? and i get treated like this? i'm sending you this because i've been having problems with them for a long time and this time its gone too far
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Post by Neverlanddreamer on Aug 24, 2006 13:50:12 GMT -5
Hmm yea I will say I don't think that is fair at all. I don't know if it just me or not but I thought ALL Michael Jackson fan clubs was suppose to help each other out?
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Post by MJSUNIFC on Aug 24, 2006 13:54:46 GMT -5
Hmm yea I will say I don't think that is fair at all. I don't know if it just me or not but I thought ALL Michael Jackson fan clubs was suppose to help each other out? i dont know why they are treating me this way. i do have my opinions but i wont say it right now lol! but can you imagine you have a successful event that all the fans loved and most said it was the best they had ever been to. the thing i heard the most was how well organized it was. i received nothing from positive stuff back, even from Joe's camp. they were very happy and thanked me a great deal ;D i the type of person that will help ALL and ANY MJ or Jackon fan club, so this type of behavior is foreign to me and i cant understand it. i feel used really let down by them and totally feel unappreciated by them.
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Post by MsTenda on Aug 24, 2006 17:38:53 GMT -5
As a former staff member, you are LEGALLY bound by the confidentiality agreement that you agreed to when you joined MJJForum. This confidentiality agreement extends after your volunteer status ended with MJJForum. So, before you think about divulging any information, think again.
Raquel, beyond that, I have MAJOR issues & concerns with how things were put together last year. I have remained quiet about it and will continue to remain quiet about it. But you are putting me in a position where I have to defend myself and my actions. For the last time, I am asking you to cease and respect the decisions I have laid forth on my board. You don't have to agree with them, but you gotta back off. That's all I have to say about the matter.
Trish
Also, what's posted on my board and in private PM's stays on that board unless permission is granted by me or the poster. I'm requesting that you remove my posts as well as your PM conversation with Minnie.
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Post by MsTenda on Aug 24, 2006 19:37:50 GMT -5
You know what Raquel? I am sorry for the above post. I do not mean to disrespect you and your message board or party and I wish you great success with it. Our effort last year was a great success for all of Michael's fans and for that I am appreciative. Anything else regarding the event last year or your event this year and MJJForum's involvement should be emailed or PMed to me on MJJF. I have removed your suspension & I do regret doing that.
Thanks
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Post by MJJPrincess on Aug 24, 2006 19:44:58 GMT -5
I don't think that is fair at all... I have asked MJJForum members and staff before if there is going to be a party with them or with another site in the US, they never really answered me but they did say all parties if there are going to be any would be posted in the GD, I saw the others but I never saw yours. So I never now there was a party tell recently... I don't see way they would suspended you for just asking why, that is not right at all... I also don't see why they would not help support you in this when you helped them alot on there party...
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Post by MJJPrincess on Aug 24, 2006 19:47:03 GMT -5
Hmm yea I will say I don't think that is fair at all. I don't know if it just me or not but I thought ALL Michael Jackson fan clubs was suppose to help each other out? Yeah I though that too that is what we should do. We are all of Michael fan's and we need to stick together and help out each other...
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Post by FROST on Aug 24, 2006 23:41:17 GMT -5
WTF? ?? I USUALLY LISTEN, READ, AND SUPPORT THE FANS, FAN CLUBS, sorry bout the caps I know someone that went to the party last year, and they said the owner of the Fan Club didn't attend. That should have told everybody what was up. And now, that Rachal has show, it makes me aware that it is a problem with fanclubs and the leaders, and all of it. I say go on with the party DONT WORRY ABOUT the other fan club MJF CLUB For some reason it looks like they dont want to have nothbing to do with this club. I KNOW of some othef clubs that had to constant tell them to help help help and they did it when they wanted to and the owner is right they can do what they want and so can you but the point is the fans are suppose to be together when it comes to parties some may not even know now! this is a shock many thought this was with MJ forum
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Post by MsTenda on Aug 25, 2006 1:37:30 GMT -5
I don't think that is fair at all... I have asked MJJForum members and staff before if there is going to be a party with them or with another site in the US, they never really answered me but they did say all parties if there are going to be any would be posted in the GD, I saw the others but I never saw yours. So I never now there was a party tell recently... I don't see way they would suspended you for just asking why, that is not right at all... I also don't see why they would not help support you in this when you helped them alot on there party... Obviously you didn't read my above post. This is not my board and you can say whatever you want to say. You do not know the whole story and I have allowed Raquel to post her project in the Fan and Fanclub forum, where all fanclub projects are posted. This is what I mean about a private issue. This was private until it was brought public and obviously you guys are taking sides, which is cool by me. I refuse to play petty games with anyone, so have your bash fest if you so choose. I on the other hand, have things to do. MJJPrincess, we didn't plan on having a party this year and didn't know about Raquel's party until she announced it. And Frost, you don't know WHAT you are talking about... but keep talking. We have and will support many events. It's funny how the OWNER of MJJF is right here and you're talking str8 over me, not acknowledging my presence. I'm right here, boo. I notice you skipped right over my apology to Raquel. I know many want to take their moment to try and bash me. LOL well, have a party. Do what ya need to lol. Again, Raquel I hope you have success with your event. If you need to speak to me, you know my email, phone number and PM on MJJF.
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Post by MJJPrincess on Aug 25, 2006 3:33:02 GMT -5
I don't think that is fair at all... I have asked MJJForum members and staff before if there is going to be a party with them or with another site in the US, they never really answered me but they did say all parties if there are going to be any would be posted in the GD, I saw the others but I never saw yours. So I never now there was a party tell recently... I don't see way they would suspended you for just asking why, that is not right at all... I also don't see why they would not help support you in this when you helped them alot on there party... Obviously you didn't read my above post. This is not my board and you can say whatever you want to say. You do not know the whole story and I have allowed Raquel to post her project in the Fan and Fanclub forum, where all fanclub projects are posted. This is what I mean about a private issue. This was private until it was brought public and obviously you guys are taking sides, which is cool by me. I refuse to play petty games with anyone, so have your bash fest if you so choose. I on the other hand, have things to do. MJJPrincess, we didn't plan on having a party this year and didn't know about Raquel's party until she announced it. And Frost, you don't know WHAT you are talking about... but keep talking. We have and will support many events. It's funny how the OWNER of MJJF is right here and you're talking str8 over me, not acknowledging my presence. I'm right here, boo. I notice you skipped right over my apology to Raquel. I know many want to take their moment to try and bash me. LOL well, have a party. Do what ya need to lol. Again, Raquel I hope you have success with your event. If you need to speak to me, you know my email, phone number and PM on MJJF. MsTenda I did not see your post because I was writing my post still at the time you posted yours, I saw it afterwards... That's good you did apologize to her but I am still shocked on the way you and others on MJJF acted about this...
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Post by MJFan12345 on Aug 25, 2006 7:03:13 GMT -5
u no its a good thing i'm bound by a confidentiality agreement otherwise i'd be talkin some nuts that might enlighten some people as to why this ish is goin on... but i actually stand by my legal agreements
i'll just say this... some shady ass stuff went down last year VERY shady... and people are just lucky lawsuits weren't filed
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Post by MJFan12345 on Aug 25, 2006 7:33:50 GMT -5
you know i also wanna say as i think about this more... its very dirty and shows ur character when u talk bout people when there's a WHOOOLLLE backstory that your "fanclub" or whatever don't even know about... thats unfair to them and us b/c they're now basing their entire opinion on this without knowing the story of what happened. i know trish is too good a person to come on your board and spill the nitty gritty and unfortunetly i am too but i just wanted to voice my opinion... its a low move...
As for us not helping to advertise the event... the reason we don't post fan events in the main forum is too many events have been posted, ppl send their money, then its not legite and ppl lose their money and come to us saying well u posted the event on ur forum so help me out... and there ain't know way of knowing who's legite and who ain't on the internet so its become a rule. As for allowing ppl to post lil projects like post ur birthday greeting for michael or come to our party its free... those are harmless b/c no ones gonna lose money or get hurt or anything...
so yeah thats all i'm gonna say i'm done venting
sorry for invading ur space u won't see my ass postin here anymore i promise
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Post by Minnie on Aug 25, 2006 9:33:11 GMT -5
You know, I am that mod who PM'd Raquel to let her know that her last post was removed... but as she already stated, I did it because private issues should REMAIN private.
I was AT the party last year, I was there as one of the MJJF Sr Staff representatives, and one of those who had been involved since day one. Throughout the party, I did not have more than 5 minutes COMBINED within the 3 days to enjoy it, because I worked my behind off the make everything go as smoothly as possible for the fans.
I too am bound by the confidentiality, but even if I weren't, I wouldn't say more than I am. Because I do believe private issues should remain private...
As far as jugding MJJForum without knowing the true story, now that isn't fair... The policies of MJJForum work as they do, and why we chose to do what we do is between us and the effected member. Nobody here should be involved in this, IMO...
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Post by ladylcee707 on Aug 25, 2006 9:39:28 GMT -5
As a former staff member, you are LEGALLY bound by the confidentiality agreement that you agreed to when you joined MJJForum. This confidentiality agreement extends after your volunteer status ended with MJJForum. So, before you think about divulging any information, think again. Raquel, beyond that, I have MAJOR issues & concerns with how things were put together last year. I have remained quiet about it and will continue to remain quiet about it. But you are putting me in a position where I have to defend myself and my actions. For the last time, I am asking you to cease and respect the decisions I have laid forth on my board. You don't have to agree with them, but you gotta back off. That's all I have to say about the matter. Trish Also, what's posted on my board and in private PM's stays on that board unless permission is granted by me or the poster. I'm requesting that you remove my posts as well as your PM conversation with Minnie. The fans who visit this board have no idea of the background to the MJJF event, and that is probably as it should be. The MJJF confidentiality agreement is a legally binding document and everyone presently or in the past associated with MJJF should take that seriously. Information about who was or was not "happy" with the way the event was run should be kept private, on both sides, don't you think? The fans on the MJJF board do not KNOW of any problems with the event, because this has been kept confidential, which is a good thing. I'm sure you will agree. As far as the way MJJF is run, Ms.Tenda has the right to place discussions anywhere on that board, or delete them entirely. Respectfully, Lady707
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Post by melow on Aug 25, 2006 11:01:02 GMT -5
Let me just say this. More often than not, things are NEVER the way they seem to be on the surface. If one could see and know all, it would be generally disappointing.
I'm all for individuals who want to sponsor MJ-related events at any time, for whatever reason.
I am not for individuals using it as a platform to slam what other fanclubs do or don't do. At any time. For whatever reason.
If people are really for MJ and really stand for the good that they say MJ is known for, then discussing why some fanclub isn't interested in advertising your event in the way that you feel it should be advertised, especially when it's done as a courtesy, is particularily petty and unprofessional and not in keeping with the goal of wanting fans to get together and have fun.
However I do wish your project well and much success.
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Post by MJSUNIFC on Aug 25, 2006 11:15:55 GMT -5
You know what Raquel? I am sorry for the above post. I do not mean to disrespect you and your message board or party and I wish you great success with it. Our effort last year was a great success for all of Michael's fans and for that I am appreciative. Anything else regarding the event last year or your event this year and MJJForum's involvement should be emailed or PMed to me on MJJF. I have removed your suspension & I do regret doing that. Thanks Trish, i'm the type of person that can disagree with someone and still get along or respect them, as long as i receive the same respect. so with saying that i accept your apology and thank you for removing the suspension. Raquel
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Post by Ja on Aug 25, 2006 11:23:19 GMT -5
Raquel, you obviously got it extremely TWISTED by even disbursing this information on any public board, site, or the internet as a whole. After what you and a few others did pertaining to the MJJF Las Vegas Event last year, you're lucky that you're not fighting lawsuits, getting your ass kicked or in jail! I won't go into details, because I am ALSO under a binding agreement though I am not part of MJJF Staff anymore. But I'll tell you what homey, Trish is better than me, because I'd be down your THROAT by now. Furthermore, if you feel that Trish or MJJForum have done you wrong, then stay away from there, It's that simple my dear. Instead of bashing her and her board on yours. Thats some high school petty ass shyte to do. And all it does is show your undermining character of whom you always were. 1 board isn't going to make or break your little party. So there's no need for the blantant disrespect and obvious jealousy towards trish. That's all I gotta say on this matter......FOR NOW
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Post by MJSUNIFC on Aug 25, 2006 11:34:44 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300] this is to the members who came here from mjjforum to defend.[/glow] i stand 100% by what i said because it is the truth.all other mentionings and hints of some type with regards to last years event has nothing to do with the point that i made here so i wont even reply to those "hidden accusations." i'm not the silent type as you probaly have guessed by now, so i will speak whats on my mind when i feel its neccessary. i did however noticed how all of the points that i made were not addressed. instead you choose to make hints of some type of "wrong doing," on my part. as you all know last years event was extremely successful and praised highly by the fans, so what is your point? i tried to get answers to my questions, and if you read the first post then you'll know why this is even a topic. Trish has already apoligized so what more really needs to be said in defense? lastly as you see i will let you speak your mine on this board, without stopping you from talking. so if you have more to say speak
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Post by MJSUNIFC on Aug 25, 2006 11:55:55 GMT -5
Raquel, you obviously got it extremely TWISTED by even disbursing this information on any public board, site, or the internet as a whole. After what you and a few others did pertaining to the MJJF Las Vegas Event last year, you're lucky that you're not fighting lawsuits, getting your ass kicked or in jail! I won't go into details, because I am ALSO under a binding agreement though I am not part of MJJF Staff anymore. But I'll tell you what homey, Trish is better than me, because I'd be down your THROAT by now. Furthermore, if you feel that Trish or MJJForum have done you wrong, then stay away from there, It's that simple my dear. Instead of bashing her and her board on yours. Thats some high school petty ass shyte to do. And all it does is show your undermining character of whom you always were. 1 board isn't going to make or break your little party. So there's no need for the blantant disrespect and obvious jealousy towards trish. That's all I gotta say on this matter......FOR NOW i think you dont need to say anymore because i think fans can see from your vicious words, language, and accusations what type of person you are. this is your legal warning....just because you are not logged in doesn't mean i dont have have your ip address because i do. if you accuse me of something you better be prepared to deal with my lawyer. what i have stated here as to what was told to me and what happened to me are not opinions they are facts. nothing i said here had anything to do with contracts or agreements. i spoke as a non staff member about problems that was happening in recent times.. period.
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Post by cuckoo on Aug 25, 2006 13:10:13 GMT -5
they from mjjf like a cult,kiss heer ass or else you cant speak or talk bout nithing,everybody got agrree with her
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Post by Minnie on Aug 25, 2006 14:04:41 GMT -5
they from mjjf like a cult,kiss heer ass or else you cant speak or talk bout nithing,everybody got agrree with her You obviously never been there LOL Ask Trish yourself - I've had plenty of disagreements with her - and I'm still admin *shrugs* As for whether or not the treatment was fair, well, yes, I think that it was fair not to put the thread in General Discussion! MsTenda has every right to allow or deny whichever threads she wants in the forums she sees fit. I personally move dozens of threads each day, but I cannot find them all, and neither do the moderators - we are but human. So, sometimes things get to stay, even if they shouldn't. And sometimes we say "The heck with it" and leave it if it's been there too long before we find it. But the policy is, fanclub parties MUST be promoted in the Fan & Fanclub section... Sometimes we do give permission to threads to stay in another forum for an amount of time, but usually, fanclub events are promoted in the fan & fanclub section. ThAT is the only fair thing to do, because that way everyone gets equal treatment. IMO - that constitutes fair...
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Post by Minnie on Aug 25, 2006 14:10:19 GMT -5
AFTER I REPLIED TO THIS RESPONSE ONE OF THE STAFF REMOVED MY POST SO THAT FANS COULD NOT SEE IT AND SENT ME A PM SAYING THAT THIS WAS A "PRIVATE" CONVERSATION? Oh, I forgot... I did not say fan "could not" see it... I said fans "should not" as your discussion was Trish was a matte between the two of you, and that it had nothing to do with other members, and should be handled in private. I still have the PM if you want it?
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Post by ladylcee707 on Aug 25, 2006 14:19:50 GMT -5
they from mjjf like a cult,kiss heer ass or else you cant speak or talk bout nithing,everybody got agrree with her You obviously never been there LOL Ask Trish yourself - I've had plenty of disagreements with her - and I'm still admin *shrugs* As for whether or not the treatment was fair, well, yes, I think that it was fair not to put the thread in General Discussion! MsTenda has every right to allow or deny whichever threads she wants in the forums she sees fit. I personally move dozens of threads each day, but I cannot find them all, and neither do the moderators - we are but human. So, sometimes things get to stay, even if they shouldn't. And sometimes we say "The heck with it" and leave it if it's been there too long before we find it. But the policy is, fanclub parties MUST be promoted in the Fan & Fanclub section... Sometimes we do give permission to threads to stay in another forum for an amount of time, but usually, fanclub events are promoted in the fan & fanclub section. ThAT is the only fair thing to do, because that way everyone gets equal treatment. IMO - that constitutes fair... This is absolutely true. The policy at MJJF is that announcements of fanclub parties and events go in the Fan & Fanclub forum. Any advertisements on GD of fanclub events must be ok'd by administration, and Raquel, yours was not approved to be in GD. Mods do not move things at will, but try very hard to follow MJJF policy. It is a complex board, with many sections. The response to your question was, and I quote from your post: "(fan events are not allowed) without special permission. As of now moderators are moving events to fan and fanclub sections." You did not have that permission. Whoever moved it was following policy. Any "innuendos" about possible mismanagement of the MJJF event will remain undiscusssed in terms of specifics because that is a private matter.
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Post by MsTenda on Aug 25, 2006 14:30:24 GMT -5
they from mjjf like a cult,kiss heer ass or else you cant speak or talk bout nithing,everybody got agrree with her Yer breakin' my heart, sweetie. MJJF is not a cult and I don't have to defend my actions to someone like you. LOL! This is one of the best publicity moves I have ever witnessed! Bravo! LOL!
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Post by von on Aug 25, 2006 15:00:17 GMT -5
Where is the Unity
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